Thank you to virtuNat, theSardonyx, Khauvinkh and tpr from Homestuck + Hiveswap discord server for working with me (@kreuz-unlimited) on this! Together, we’ve found the system that’s correct for sure (and has been tested against tens of thousands of cases). Here it is!Note: Check out, who accomplishes the same thing with slightly different math (like not using negative scores and adding points to the opposite aspect)Every question is assigned to a pair of opposite/complementary aspects. Those are put in pairs and are as follows:1-2: Breath/Blood3-4: Light/Void5-6: Time/Space7-8: Heart/Mind9-10: Hope/Rage11-12: Life/DoomEach aspect is connected to two other aspects. Aspects being connected can be determined by checking the canon aspect wheel shown here:If the aspects are touching, they are connected. Aspects directly across from each other are opposites/complementary.For every question you can pick one answer, labeled from A to E, where A and E are answers that favor one of the opposite/complementary aspects extremely, D and B favor one aspect moderately, and C doesn’t favor either (So for example, in the first question, A and B favor Breath, while D and E favor Blood).Extreme answers give 8 points to one of the aspects, moderate answers give it 4 points.
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Links:How this zodiac mess works:Each symbol has a unique combination of blood color, aspect, and Sburb moon. 12 sign classes. 12 aspects. 2 lunar sway options = 288.Each sign is named by joining a prefix shared between all signs of that class and a suffix shared between all signs with the same lunar sway + aspect combination, so you might find the names repetitive. Each unique sign also has a unique adjective associated with it. The ones for the classic zodiac fit out trolls, but the rest seem very random.The descriptions under each class are quite vague and horoscope-like, but tend to fit Homestuck troll's characters so precisely that it wouldn't surprise me if it didn't hold definitions in common with the classical zodiac.This is again pretty vague but tends to fit very neatly to the kid's moons, with Prospit being 'happy and straightforward' and Derse being 'reserved and complicated', in a nutshell. Of course this doesn't fit with how the trolls had their moons split but I guess whatever.A massive disappointment, the descriptions are again too fortune-cookie-style to find ACTUAL information about how the more unknown aspects actually work.
It's just more horoscope stuff. BUT: Apparently it's Mind-Heart, Breath-Blood, and Hope-Rage. Plus some stuff about aspect wheel positions which will be of interest to the more esoteric imagineers amongst us. This is probably canon, right? How the quiz works:First, you pick your actual zodiac sign to determine your sign class.
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The site suggests you can just pick whichever you want though so you can have the same class as your favorite troll or whatever.Second, there are 8 questions to determine your lunar sway, with 5 options. It seems to work like this: A = 2 Prospit points, B = 1 Prospit point, C = 0 points, D = 1 Derse point, E = 2 Derse points. In the case of a tie it apparently defaults to Derse.Third, 12 5-option questions to determine your aspect. Each 2 questions correspond to an aspect pair, in this order: Breath/Blood, Light/Void, Time/Space, Heart/Mind, Hope/Rage, and Life/Doom, where answer A corresponds the most to the first aspect of each pair and answer E to the second. In the case of a tie between a pair of aspects (two C's, a B and a D, or an A and an E) the first aspect of the pair is selected.What about ties between different aspect pairs? We don't know yet.
It seems to vary for several reasons, from some aspect pairs having priority over others to priority due to variation (an A+E pair getting priority over a C+C pair). Weird exceptions keep getting found, so the picture for inter-pair ties is incomplete. The biggest default seems to be Time, then Space though.Add these 3 results together for your official canon extended zodiac sign. Don't forget to buy a shirt. Historical precedent:The first appearance of an extended zodiac symbol was in June 2014 when Hussie.
No further information was given.The extended zodiac symbols. Hussie confirmed these were additional jadeblood symbols. Given that Hiveswap was under development at the time, many people came to the conslucion that they were inserted into the story after their creation for Hiveswap.
All 7 of the symbols shown are the same in the extended zodiac.' What about??? Weren't they going to be in Hiveswap?' Well, if you take a look at their symbols, you'll notice that they're not included among any of the symbols in the extended zodiac!
Plus, if you check the, you'll see their signs aren't there! In fact all of the 2D concept art (from March 2015) of additional trolls was missing signs, but while their had them, the fantrolls did not have 3D models shown. Their ultimate fate remains unclear. However all the symbols shown on the asset reel survived intact to the current zodiac.Sidenote, Malcolm Brown's shows a unique sign not on the extended zodiac that looks highly similar to a beamed musical note. This is likely just an afterthought and not representative of anything important, but as an exception to the new rules they already had in mind, slightly weird. So, what does this tell us about trolls we already know?Well, I think this is of dubious importance since it wouldn't really come into play unless they joined a Sburb session, but anyways:(Rust + Derse + Rage)(Bronze + Prospit + Blood)(Fuchsia + Derse + Blood)I'm holding onto false hope that they actually took a modicum of care when assigning these to Hiveswap characters, so here's my analysis: Surprising lunar sway for Dammek, probably intended to mirror Trizza as a good/bad leader thing.
Wholly unexpected result for Xefros there.Other symbols:(Gold + Prospit + Hope): Very, VERY similar to the beloved (SFW image).(Gold + Prospit + Doom): Sollux had two dream selves, remember? His standard sign (The Cynic) is apparently Derse's. So now we have a totally different symbol for Prospit, which is probably a minor plot hole or something./ (Purple + Derse + Doom/Breath): The Soleil twins get TWO signs for themselves, apparently, for whatever godforsaken reason. And they don't even really match other than them both being Derse. Yellow mask is Doom, purple mask is Breath, in case you care.Other notes: Karkat's symbol is uniquely gray, but all the other limebloods have their normal color (well, Karkat isn't exactly a limeblood but he's like a limeblood mutant - candyblood or somesuch). This extended zodiac raises some questions about how exactly Karkat was able to remain anonymous on Alternia.
Also, I think this is the first we see of an official color for limebloods? Additionally, Nepeta's symbol is a different shade of olive than the new symbols. They probably tweaked the color somewhere down the line for some reason (or by accident) and they can't be arsed to fix it. Conclusion:This is really dumb. I don't like it. I didn't like arbitrary classpect quizzes before and I don't like arbitrary classpect quizzes now, 'official' though they might be.
If you wanna take unrepresentative, generalized personality tests, go check out Myers-Briggs, or play Pokemon Mystery Dungeon. Still, we gotta deal with the cards we're dealt. And this is what we're doing now, apparently, so I might as well dive as deep as I can into this bold new world. This extended zodiac raises some questions about how exactly Karkat was able to remain anonymous on Alternia.Karkat's sign was invented by the Sufferer's followers based on his execution manacles.
They secretly inserted it into whatever registry of signs Alternia has and bred a lusus who would recognize his blood color. Even if they were unlucky enough to have chosen to list it as a lime sign, I'm sure Doc Scratch would have fixed it for them.If you wanna take unrepresentative, generalized personality testsI see no problem with acknowledging these traits as canon, if weak, indicators of Aspect. Weak because many of the characters are 180 from their Aspect's profile, or have obvious links to their Aspect that aren't covered by the test results. But ultimately 'Doom players tend to be pessimistic' is no different than 'Bards tend to suddenly save or ruin their sessions.' Hussie compared the Derse/Prospit dream moon selection to the Harry Potter sorting hat, and I think these aren't supposed to be any more rigid. There's something important to note about these tests.
In a clinical setting, or anytime real accuracy is needed, it's standard practice to ask way more than 12 questions for 12 outcomes. You come up with 4 or 5 different ways of asking the same question to prevent anomalies from skewing the whole thing.For instance, a question might say 'Would you rather be an accountant or a lion tamer?' Which presents a fairly transparent choice between 'boring but steady' and 'exciting but risky'. But what if I'm horribly bad at math? Even though 'boring but steady' fits me best, I'd never choose to become an accountant. Likewise, I could have a crippling phobia of lions, forcing me to choose accountancy despite the fact that there are other exciting jobs I'd much rather choose.But this test is just for fun!
Rather than make us answer 60 questions, we only have 12, because accuracy isn't that important. The fact that you're allowed to just pick your blood color is a dead giveaway.
The aspect questions are in pairs, 2 questions for each pair, which also follow each other in the test.They start with Breath-Blood, then Light-Void, Time-Space, Heart-Mind, Hope-Rage and finish with Life-Doom.The A answers give you (going with OP's theory) 2 points, B's give you 1 point for the first in each pair. C gives 0; D gives 1 and E gives 2 for the second aspect in each pairing.Complete tie defaults to Time. Edit Tie between pairs defaults to first in each pair, between firsts and seconds it goes to the one last on the list of questions out of your tied aspects.This seems to be how it works; please correct me if I'm wrong though.